In part one of Cricinfo's two-part interview with Sarah Taylor, the England Men's Fielding Coach, she talks about her bond with fellow wicketkeeper Jamie Smith, standing up to the stumps to Ollie Robinson and the opinions that matter as a woman working in the men's game.
It didn't take long for Sarah Taylor and Jamie Smith to click, and not necessarily for the most obvious reason.
Wicketkeeping aside, neither are personalities to court the limelight, but it wasn't even that.
"We're both quite dry and sarcastic," Taylor, the England Men's Fielding Coach, tells Cricinfo. "We met in Loughborough for the first time and I immediately knew I was going to like this guy. He's definitely my cup of tea. A couple of sarcastic comments in there and I say: 'He's a good guy.'
"He doesn't seek the limelight, he wants to do a good job. He's got a very, very good head on his shoulders and he just wants to be the best possible player that he can be on that given day.
"He's very rational about his cricket and it's something that I admire, because I probably wasn't. He will be a force to be reckoned with because he's working so hard every day. He's now extremely clear on where he wants to go with his keeping. There will be a lot more to come from Jamie and that's quite exciting."
As such an understated public figure, what might be interpreted as a lack of character could just as easily point to maturity beyond his years. At 26, Smith clearly comes across as one of the adults in the room. He has two young children and missed England Tests for their births, despite being relatively new to the set-up. Others might have felt pressured to stay and play.
But wicketkeeping also brings pressure on the field - mistakes aren't tolerated and there's nowhere to hide. Should Smith ever need to talk that through with someone who knows, he has someone in former England Women's keeper Taylor, who was regarded as one of the best in the business across genders.
"The conversations we have are fun," Taylor says. "I laugh a lot with him. I do laugh a lot with him. But he's actually very clear on him as a human being. He's very calm about who he is and that's amazing.
"When it comes to his cricket, he's extremely level-headed. If there's a conversation that he wants to have regarding the mental side, then absolutely I'm there to help him. But he's very level-headed and clear with who he is and what he wants to achieve."
Smith has settled into another strong working relationship this summer, standing up to the stumps for Ollie Robinson, putting batters under huge pressure even if it makes keeping and, initially, bowling more challenging.
Robinson, who has 23 wickets from three Tests so far this summer, wasn't a fan of the keeper standing up early on.
"It's great of Ollie to admit that, that he didn't like it," Taylor says. "I imagine for a bowler, speaking on behalf of bowlers, but I imagine as a bowler it can mess with your lengths slightly because you are worried that there is a keeper up there.
"It did take Ollie some time but if there's an aggressive move with good reasoning for a keeper to stand up, I'm all in and I will push for that. Now I think there's no second guessing from Ollie or Jamie.
"Jamie I think was also the same: 'Should I be doing this? Should I be here?' Also, he's barely done it. It's now becoming this norm which is lovely. It's helping Ollie and it's obviously helping the team."
But Taylor says the tactic wasn't a hard sell because it was backed by evidence and good communication plus, at the time, she had former wicketkeeper and then-Head Coach Brendon McCullum to bounce the idea off. Then there was her own experience standing up to the stumps for Katherine Sciver-Brunt and Anya Shrubsole, meaning there was no-one better qualified to guide Smith and Robinson through it.
"The evidence was there," Taylor adds. "There were so many reasons as to why it would be a good idea. As long as you're simple in your techniques with it and you've got very good reactions, there's no need to overthink it.
"At the start of my career, I did overthink it a little bit. Now there's this really clear message of, 'these things are happening, go up'."
As straightforward as that sounds, there is a glaring aspect of Taylor's coaching that, for some people, might not be, although she hopes that soon the fact she is the first woman to coach in England's senior men's set-up will not even warrant comment.
Earlier this year, Taylor told Cricinfo's Powerplay podcast that there was little to differentiate between coaching women and men. She has previously coached in men's teams at Sussex, Team Abu Dhabi, Manchester Originals and England Lions, plus the women of WPL side Gujarat Giants and says he hasn't met with any resistance "in the cricket world".
"I think in the real world, people will have problems with whatever you tell them," she says. "Most importantly for me, my opinions that I get from the cricket world and the people that have been there and done that, that means the most to me. So I will ignore anyone that has any negativity around it.
"Also the people in the cricket world know that I've been in a men's set-up for probably the last six, seven years, so it's not new to anyone in the cricket world.
"It's an amazing opportunity for me, absolutely, that I would never say no to, and if people have a problem with it, they have a problem with it. It really doesn't bother me.
"So as long as the staff that I'm working with, the players that I'm working with, are happy to have me around like they would any other coach, then that's absolutely fine for me."
Next, in part two: "Don't you dare turn your eyes up at a woman coach…" Taylor tells Cricinfo she hopes her legacy will be to make women coaching men's cricket the norm.